Academy Dashboard Forum Production Recording Techniques First time recording live drums

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    Mark Martinez
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      Hello everyone, hope you're all having a great day. So i am doing my bands ep, and this is the first time that im doing live drums. I am using a basic shure 5 mic pga kit, a sennheiser dynamic for the hihat, and a mix of two different condencers as over heads (a avtone c12 and a samson co1). I know this isn't the best set up but its what i have/can afford at the moment. Any way soloed the mics dont sound bad at all, even the over heads, but together i have having the bleed of the snare in the toms being behind just enough to bother me. I have tried side chain a compressor but its still noticable. I have also tried using time adjust but that just messed up everything else. The issue seems to only be with the tom mics. I made sure the the over heads where in phase with the snare. And side chaining on the kick solved it. Can anyone give me some advice one how i can resolve this, or at least make it less noticable. I also have to mention that the room i am using is pretty small and i cant do any permanent acoustic treatment, again i know its not ideal but its what i have to work with.

      Thanks to everyone in advance.

      • This topic was modified 6 years ago by Mark Martinez.
      #45605
      Jason Davenport
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        Hi Mark,

        Have you tried using a gate? A properly set gate can control bleed very effectively in most cases. You could use that in conjunction with your sidechained compressor to get rid of the majority of it. If that doesn't work, you could edit all but the tom hits out of the waveform, that is tedious, but effective. Volume automation could be another way. Hope this helps!

        #45608
        Mark Martinez
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          Thank you very much Jason, i didn't not even think about using a gate. I will try that out, and let you know how it goes.

          #45616
          Jason Davenport
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            Glad to help Mark!

            #46365
            Matt Graham
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              How'd you make out with the gating?

              Matt

              #46368
              Mark Martinez
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                I worked out great, but have to play with the release a bit more. Thank you for asking. Though i think i am having some phase issues, everyrhthing seems to sound a bit thin.

                • This reply was modified 6 years ago by Mark Martinez.
                #46370
                Matt Graham
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                  would love to hear your completed revisions!

                  Good times bud!

                  M

                  #46393
                  Niki Pichler
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                    Heho Mark,

                    good tipps from jason here. i personally don't like gating it because i give up a bit of control. (one release for every hit) normally i mute the toms (the bleed in the toms is always a pain in the arse xD) by hand everywhere they dont play and fade out when suited. if you wanna have a more natural method it would be volume automation for me. but this is only my style and opinion ^^

                    i normally completly mute it because the snare normally induces some harmonies an ring on the toms and i don't wanna have this kind of sound at all ^^

                    let us know the result!

                    cheers, Niki

                    #46771
                    Markus Hofer
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                      hi,

                      you can sampel the toms one by one
                      and replace them later in the project

                      if i dont have sampels made
                      i use drumleveler - i think its by sound radix
                      works great

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