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  • #11230
    Chris Sweet
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      Anybody familiar or used their products? Similarly to Warm Audio, they claim to be producing high quality clones of classic circuits including the SSL bus comp, la2a, and now a 2 channel 1073. Supposedly the 1073 is an exact clone down to the carnhill trannies. And the price is ridiculous. I just got a channel of BAE 1073 because of their reputation but the Stam could be a great option if the quality is there.

      #14082
      Magnus Hallin
      Participant

        I've actually ordered me one of those SA 4000. Joshua seems to be a bit late on delivery though and I haven't recieved mine yet. However, I'm looking forward to it! The only thing I miss spec-wise is a high pass and perhaps a blend knob but at his prices I could work around that!

        #14087
        Chris Sweet
        Participant

          Let me know how you like it! I've heard Greg Wells uses their LA2A clone and loves it.

          #14088
          Magnus Hallin
          Participant

            Oh really? That's interesting! And yes, their 1073 looks dead-sexy! The funny thing is that Stam has replicated the models I've had an eye out for (perhaps because they're pretty much industry standard I guess) I would very much like to have an LA2A- and a 1073/1290 option to complement my lonely WA-76, but also the glue to put over the mix. I find myself often using a Waves SSL compressor on the 2bus but been wanting to try a hardware solution, hence the SA 4000.

            I'll definitely let you know my impressions!

            #14155
            Warren Huart
            Keymaster

              Great talk! The 1073 debate is pretty nutty! So many opinions and I am NOT an expert at ALL! haha I did do a shoot out with all of the main contenders and the transformer differences seem to play quite a huge part. It seems to be that a lot of the cheaper ones benefit from being painted the same RAF Blue as the original Neve 1073 and follow the basic schematics etc but maybe not the same quality of components to save money and make a cheaper product. Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren

              #14164
              Magnus Hallin
              Participant

                Well, I haven't yet had my hands on ANY 1073-style pre so I'm flying kind of blind here! All I know is that I ALWAYS reach for the Waves Scheps 1073-plugin on vocals and it always works for me. That has got me thinking that I could benefit from one when tracking. And I must, regretfully, say I really love the RAF-blue look and might be somewhat blinded by it haha!

                It really is hard to pick one out of the bunch when one hasn't tried them all in a A/B-situation but on the other hand.. even if I build myself a Soundskulptor 573, or buy a Vintech or even a Golden Age Project 573 (with the Carnhills) I think I will be pleased compared to what have at the moment.

                I foudn this on the groupdiy.com written by "KDE" (make sure to read point 5):

                Complete Neve head over here ;D

                To answer your question Neve used Canford Wire for all there wiring its been pretty well documented. Companies such as Heritage Audio and AMSNeve today use Canford Wire on their clones. The reason why clones including AMSNeve don't sound like Vintage "Original" Neve are because

                1) Correct output transformer. The LO 1166 is the heart of the "Neve sound" and is really gives the beef to the recording. Current clones whether its BAE, AMSNeve, Heritage Audio all use Carnhill Transformers. Carnhill does not and has never made the LO 1166. Geoff has said many times that Carnhill had to do 5 revisions of its current LO 1166 replacement before Neve accepted it. Carnhill makes CLONE transformers of the LO 1166s and never did quite a good job at it. The real LO 1166 was made by both Marinair and Morite Winding Co and the original spec sheets are lost.

                1) Correct Input Transformers. The 10468 Mic and 31267 Line Transformer were made by Marinair and the 10468 was a stock transformer they made even before Neve came along. Eventually St. Ives got involved in the manufacture of both of them which are used in original Neve manufactuing as well. Marinair's are the preferred input transformers as they are the better sounding and Vintage 10xx series with Marinair transformers are generally worth more money. Carnhill once again makes a clone of the St. Ives version which is a particularly good clone as Carnhill bought out St. Ives and has the original speck sheets. But Carnhills do not sound like original Marinairs. Marinair being the original designers of both transformers did not give St. Ives all the details on how to make the exact transformers as stipulated by Geoff.

                2) Correct 70s transistors. The BA283/183 is the core of the "1073/1290 sound" and makes these units what they are. Transistor manufacturing has almost been reinvented so using modern transistors will NOT give you the original sound. They just don't make transistors as terrible as they used to be. The BA283 used 2n3055's, BC184C's and in some cases BC109C/BC107's. The BC109C/BC107 combo is found in most of the earlier Neve's from the vintage units and through my own conclusions i have come to believe they are the originally intended transistors rather than the 184C's. Most Neves used "Motorola" and "New Market" Transistors. Getting the 2n3055 right is highly important for the sound.

                3) Tantalum Capacitors essential to the Original Neve sound. Not much to really say other than Neve used Mullard brand caps and vintage repairs use the current BC/Philips/Mullard Brand Caps.

                4) Correct brand switches are ELMA and Diamond H brand switches. Blore Edwards switches (which are used in the current AMS remakes) were used in a very very small amount of Original Neves.

                5) Lastly to do Neve's right get the RAF Blue Grey paint and make sure its right because i've seen all sorts of funky wanna be colored Neves.

                Haha 😀

                #14213
                Warren Huart
                Keymaster

                  Hi Magnus, thanks for the post! I really try and avoid these kind of gear talk conversations! Haha The other very well known Forum gets very messy with huge debates on this subject! There's a lot of information out there that's manipulated for individuals gain and different companies gains. So I would rather not have these kinds of conversations here if possible. I hope you’re having a marvellous weekend! Many thanks Warren

                  #14222
                  Magnus Hallin
                  Participant

                    Oh, so sorry! But you're right of course, this is debated to the ends of the earth and back so.. It's good you all let me know these things since I'm quite new here. 🙂

                    Thank you!

                    #14277
                    Warren Huart
                    Keymaster

                      Hi Magnus, yes absolutely! It's all good! We are a community that welcomes everyone and is here to build our careers together! I know as this grows we will be able to offer opportunities to each other that people will kill to get! I am incredibly excited with the Academy, I personally learn so much! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks Warren

                      #16484
                      Magnus Hallin
                      Participant

                        I've now finally received the tracking number from Stam Audio for the SA 4000 G-bus comp clone! So I hope it won't be too long now. Apparently they've had a couple of mishaps during the process of building them (delayed parts etc) and thereafter had some bad luck with custom workers on strike.

                        #16568
                        Magnus Hallin
                        Participant

                          Here we go then! Picked up the Stam SA 4000 today and just hooked it up:

                          Stam Audio SA 4000

                          Stam Audio SA 4000 2

                          Stam Audio SA4000 Inside

                          I ran the last chorus of my mix of Kaedyn Kashmirs Warrior through it just for fun, and compared it with the Waves SSL Comp I had across the 2bus in the mix. Settings are identical, matched the level and the amount of compression is the same.

                          https://soundcloud.com/mange-hallin/kaedyn-kashimir-warrior-stam-audio-sa-4000

                          https://soundcloud.com/mange-hallin/kaedyn-kashmir-warrior-waves-ssl-comp

                          I tried to upload them here but the were too big. Let me know if you'd like the wav-files 🙂

                          I think it feels sturdy. All metal chassis and stepped knobs except threshold and make up gain. I really have nothing to complain about! I think the Waves SSL plugin is quite close and sounds just as good but what I noticed was that the Stam SA 4000 would take a lot more abuse before sounding too compressed (in my humble opinion). I'll find many uses for this baby! Shipping from Chile to Sweden took about 10 days.

                          Well.. gonna go play with my new toy now! Merry christmas to me! 😉

                          #16574
                          Chris Sweet
                          Participant

                            Very cool! Congrats! Interesting that the waves sounds so similar. I compared the waves to the UAD version and heard little difference either. I just got the UAD 33609 for wicked cheap and that's got a totally different character than the ssl.

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